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Post by xJirax Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:09 pm

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SM is very OP with SS defence. For a support class that sits in the back its tanking power is too much for the skills it has to offer in a fight. We had Spirit, LTLycan another +27 SS and Honestsama still runs away after been stun and sealed with next to no damage. I saw spirit was on full str with a title trying to kill a SM with no success. Honest said isn't fully 27 Gemmed defensive Gems. Our SS cant melee him cause of wings making the DPS 10-5k at best before wings which the SM then reheals and seals us anyway. For a fight they have AOE slow, They got endless seals on bd effect, bolt that ignores defence, self recover. With a Darkness pet the seals are endless and there is only a tiny window of opportunity to attack any sm. I thought SS should be anti Magic but when its a guild effort to kill a single sm with +27 Players who are complete +27. not hat and torso maybe a staff, it shows there is no balance.


Once Normal SM gets bd amour, Frozen hat they are tank and seals never end. I request seal master get its original Defence progression back. When you compare why SS has bonus defence its because we got only extra speed Less HP, in the front of the fight. We got one seal that lasts 5-7 seconds 1 slow on gun and one on bow for a SINGLE target not a whole mass of people.

Not counting of the New wings effect that makes ss useless against any class who wears them. those wings basically ruined ss class. I know thats the fk effect for ss but wheres the fk for magic classes? As a ss now i can only rely on sealing and trying to bd hs sms.

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Post by Honest Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:03 am

Ur SS is not mad about the "defense buff" nab ~ he was mad cuz of the wings !
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Post by GoDxNero89 Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:06 am

SpiritReaper wrote:Seal Master is not an SS. SS has one Cripple one frozen arrow. Seal Master arnt tanks. +27 Gemmed voy on defence aka my one is dead in 3 seconds lolz. Its a support class. SS fights cant recover self without a pet. Cant aoe slow and apply endless seal. Tanks are normal con/defence progression along with max. SM has unoriginal and should be reset back to original. Its bull **** having 2 +27 legends fighting an SM con mode one barely able to attk for 2 seconds without nado.


SealMAster dont have 50k HS / Dont have good attck speed / Stunlock on mele.

and u keep sayin support class support class.. tnx god u dont own the server or somthing or u wud make crus/ss supprt class's also..
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Post by GoDxNero89 Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:10 am

dude since i started here.... i never saw some1 complain in my life liek you sam.

i remember first.. u complain about frozen on ek effect for clerics/Sm.
then u complain about SS - aka leon if ppl remember him .
Then about Voy... then about crus cuz we got high attck speed.
and now about SM wich the only wings give him that power agaisnt SS ( hes +27 dont be a foo)

oh and about honor pet ( wich ivy/anna got em) but after u got one u shut it n stop complaing... AND complaing about ally btween night and eternals.

DUDE GROW UP FOR GOD SAKE!
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Post by Honest Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:11 am

hahahah XD hes just a kid he even use gyoza in pkmap cuz he dont wanna die ,while some good pkers dont use pots at all <3
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Post by SpiritReaper Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:12 am

Crus are killers plain and simple. Tanks have no real role here since no matter what mode your in mobs deal same DMG. SS has about as much attk speed as me so stun lock is really out of the question and good chance on bow but not enough to keep a 1v1 enemy stunned long enough. To stun lock you either have to switch to bow or use Gun for 50k hs. Just like a champ has to use 4 different weapons to make use of all there class skills and capabilities.

One last thing SM bonus defence was put on trial and would be up for review soon. Extra defence is good for demis and normal players but there is no way they can get the gems required to get defence to tank one slash. SO introduce +25 defence gem to the new bosses. A gem that can be forge to gloves and is half that of frost soul. Flame Eye counter part is Eye of Black Dragon.

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Post by SpiritReaper Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:14 am

I use gyoza lolz. So what I dont have a self heal so to keep alive cost me 5 dc for every 15 uses. Give me a heal skill and better aoe slow down and I might not have to use gyoza period. Btw Look at the numbers I have to fight all the time compared to that yous have to. Also look at quality I have to fight been that there are more +27 players now.

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Post by BowMan1 Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:40 am

I got Same defense as Honest and noone Complains about me and same pet! And im not Even Full gemmed in con gems. Need at least 6-7 gems more...
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Post by Saeryn Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:02 pm

Cruses are killers, ss are this, champs are that... Yet I've seen both cruses and ss tank sw towers. Why don't people complain about that?

I find the attack against sm defense progression ridiculous. I mean come on, we can't even kill. Why does it matter if we survive one slash with a little hp left instead of being osed?

You complain about the seals. Yet we can only seal one person at a time (regardless of darkness pet, that's a whole other matter). And when we seal that one person, we are practically useless since our bolts can't even tickle most people.

Give it a rest.
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Post by WhiteDeathJr^^ Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:25 pm

SpiritReaper wrote:Btw WhiteDeathJnr I find your tone offensive to myself. In game in forums you cant help but troll me. If I am forced to keep my mouth sHut show some self discipline and do the same. If not Ill report to GM warnings and instance I have told you to stop in which you ignore, and carry on. Last and final warning before I act like a goodie-two shoes and see you placed on strikes.

I for one dont care its the fact you reported me for the same thing your doing to me that pisses me off. Two people can use the same rules. You have been warned.

Calm down poor sammy... before of do that ask GM of yours 7 days suspension because you are in 2nd strike and you didnt get them... So play fair pls

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Post by WhiteDeathJr^^ Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:35 pm

am i trolling? LOL and you didnt say me anything... as you say that you have many screenshots i wanna see one of them showing that im trolling you or that you told me to stop (i dont know why)

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Post by Shawty Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:55 pm

Why do You complain about Honest?..As I said..You can buy +27 eqs but You can't buy Pk Skills so go practise more dudes and stop complaining about Honest..o.o..We dun complain much about Sam even when he kills almost everyone..Magic is suppose to beat Champ so GG folks..Practise doesnt make You perfect but It can help You realise that You need to improve more..=)

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Post by GoDxNero89 Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:14 am

+1 Shawty..
Btw can u sell me some Pk skills ? ill buy em for DC!
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Post by balanced Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:16 am

Well if a SS is unable to kill a con SM getting 99% automatically tornadoed.. then yea SM is too much armed in seals..if a SS can't kill him at least should have chance to run since SS are fastest runners on bow in game...anyway with this slow motion Aoe can't do anything at least could run n have opportunity to kill some1 else but no she/he is useless so far....SS worst class and its unbalanced again, eternals takin a profit cause they have less uber SS, changing class making sense but what if i do like playing SS only ?

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Post by GoDxNero89 Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:18 am

Just remove those damn wings n give plays bk the DC! OR chang the stats of em.. lol
still not many ppl got those wings n ppl complaing about it aloot!
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Post by SpiritReaper Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:29 am

My guild = Dead cause of wings. Our Guild Were mainly SS. They died alot to crus but also killed alot. If its taking 3+ legends to fight a single SM and its not dying dont just blame PK skills when he has a pet one bolt you get endless seal no matter what part of the map your in. Aoe slow and his normal seals are endless and he expects to tank like a champ? Already 16k max is near useless and his gemming is incomplete. Leon used to tank 18k then pr system changed dropped to 16k. Add Rare pets wings a title tank again.

Ill also mention this again boosted defence to SS progression was on trial. Not Permanent and gm asked for suggestions. Adding another defensive gem that is half of what frost soul provides is a good compromise for non legends or non donators. SM wants more defence without sacrificing spr? They already got more advantages then melee classes. Champs lost all there boons we are Top standard aside multi strike which is useless for 2 second stun and long as hell CD. Flash bombs will be better.

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Post by Caged Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:17 am

Lol never thought I would see a sm op thread in my life. I will have to save this one. Good going guys.

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Post by Shawty Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:19 am

Stop complaining seriously..-.- Honest often play as support SM he isnt pawnzor like You Sam..when his mates dies he just runs gosh..if You cant kill him alone dont just complain but try harder..GMs made Darkness Pet and wings not his fault if he got them..GG have fun

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Post by Honest Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:16 pm

Lol so ur guild quit cuz of Aerial wings ? thats so lame and stupid seriously... it just nado for 3 sec .... and GM already decreased the duration... also iam the ONLY one got it from my guild..... while YOU SAM zynco and the one who quitted got them ~

Darkness and honor pet is way more op than Aerial wings and specially darkness pet is anti magic class and it spam seals on you every 5 sec.. thats is OP not the wings ! and most of ur "SS" in ur guild got it and they got seals also
so stop complaining nabs its not about my defense buff
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Post by xMayy Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:26 pm

Yeah, I did quit cause of those wings.
the def is fine, those wings were and still are the biggest ss burp.
I don't care who says they aren't they are, honest, how long did it take me and missy to lull you in tc that day? I died 3-4 to your one death, we got you only cause a crus also doing dmg to you.
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Post by Honest Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:01 pm

Iknow those wings are anti SS ,so do darkness pet ! and darkness pet more active than the wings
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Post by SpiritReaper Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:26 pm

I am a firm believer tanks were restored to original top values an SM shouldn't be given defence to tank like a SS on full con. We are not asking burp the seals, remove the wings, etc just restore SM to its CRUSADER defence values which is still higher then their own. This was a trail and with +27 gloves who is going to break you?

Introduce a new gem for defense so NoN donators can choose between more SPR or defence. It will also help every other class encouraging more dynamic class builds. Balance was fine before defense bonus and was near perfect till the introduction of the wings. Ill say this again SM is not SS. Its survivability was already greater then that of its SS counter part before bonus defence. Want more defence sacrifice more spr.

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Post by Honest Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:54 pm

Blah blah blah sam ur the only one in server complaining about my defense while other SS complain about the wings , there is no one in server wanna play sealmaster cause its underpower class there are 3 or 4 sealmaster in whole server the thing making me OP is the darkness pet and the wings i disagree with you about n erfing sealmaster defense ,and talking about real top SM is a tanker while ss is a paper
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Post by SpiritReaper Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:32 pm

meeh I dont give a *** any more. Rare pets still cant be fixed. Wings are just stupid with the effect. They keep saying wings aren't going to change as its set as low as fk. If the effect is reduced by a further 50% or removed and replaced with stats I am all for SM maintaining SS defence. Fix that dark pet on bolt. There is no reason SM should need dark pet to seal on bolt. They don't have ES.

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Post by Honest Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:35 pm

Oh gawd do you have anything to do other than buffing champ class and ne rf sealmaster class ?? why cuz sealmaster anti tank ? dude get over it u cant kill sm ! put that in ur mind
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Post by SpiritReaper Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:56 pm

I am not asking to kill you or solo you. Read it in the posts. I and tired of trying to explain myself to people who cant read or see past themselves saying its me been greedy. Look at you now? So you think its fair 2 +27 SS are in endless nado + seals while a +27 tank is chowing down on your hp you still run away? I dont. Look at rec pet load of Crap pet that works too often. I have no problem saying it. I dont keep asking for champ "Buffs". I asked for free skill reset after GM changed our skill tress and to fix 100 wep. (100 Wep Fixed so nothing more to say now) NeRfing Sm? So fixing are dark pet NeRfing sm? Asking that they dont tank like SS especially sInce these horrid wings were introduced.

I have no problem with defence buff once that stuff is fixed. Nor would any other SS. Most of us would be happy with wings effect hardly working. Why must an SS change class because more ppls will consider getting the wings? I get your almost full 27. I know I cant fight SM hence why I run in most cases or kill your support. Stop trying to say I am trying to destroy your class and blah blah. ME solo a voy = Very HARD same goes for SM. 3 players on one SM 2 been sealers and equal equips results should be against you walking away. (Not the case)

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Post by Honest Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:01 pm

you really have double personality... read ur previous post"s" then replay again and if u wanna complain about the wings and the darkness pet go make new topic
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Post by SpiritReaper Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:22 pm

Present 2 suggestions one is bound to be listened to.

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Post by SpiritReaper Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:22 pm

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Post by Saeryn Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:34 pm

SpiritReaper wrote:Present 2 suggestions one is bound to be listened to.

Why bound? The gms can just as well dismiss the whole matter since the complaints are against just 1 player. I highly doubt that 1 sm can turn pk upside down...
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Post by Rora Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:47 pm

SpiritReaper wrote:... SO introduce +25 defence gem to the new bosses. A gem that can be forge to gloves and is half that of frost soul. Flame Eye counter part is Eye of Black Dragon.

SpiritReaper wrote:Introduce a new gem for defense...

scratch scratch
Why defence all the time? Not satisfied with def of your champ?
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Post by SpiritReaper Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:48 pm

Rora would you honestly see me forge a gem like that on a tank? For non mallers who cant afford frost souls.

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Post by Honest Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:54 pm

wow since when u care about non mallers sam Surprised?
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Post by SpiritReaper Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:11 am

since I spend a lot of my time helping them. Yous would know that if you actually asked.

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Post by Honest Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:16 am

Aha ... do you know that after the defense buff "nonmallers" sm can only tank 1 slash take 90% of their hp same lvl gems or less maybe ?
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Post by BowMan1 Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:12 am

Guys you buy things for uself (as Darkness pet or Wings), But hen a SM has them you disaggre?

I dont know why you put it against SMs.
SS can seal, SM can seal
Both ppl with same pet can seal each other plus.
SM does nado effect and magical bolt, SS does not nado but do lots of hp.

So you sam, or eli having a darkness pet and Wings Versuing an SS like me(without wings) doesnt give u an advantage? Thats what are the wings. We all have problem for the % so stay on this problem. Other are nosense.

Also Sam u say you care for nonmaller and though u want Def burp so ther nonmaller SM do what? Turn to "dying" like a paper?

Though i am SS i cant find a way for a same gemmed SM to win a same gemmed SS. SS have same def(before SM had loweR), seals and massive attack.

One SM Got all the defensive malling things he could and you are all mad. You were Sam the one that you were saying i became a champ cause i know it was OP here. So you saw the advantages and u went in. Now that SM are challenging you are all mad?

ELI, im sure if you try a solo vs Honest and play smart ull have 50-50% chances and maybe more on your side. Especially with dk.
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Post by xMayy Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:38 am

Playing smart? You mean spam hs right? I cant even boss's poss the effect away -.-
You cant play smart against such effect.
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Post by PledgeAllegianceToTheSwag Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:29 am

I firmly believe in the power of love.. fk yea

I believe, SM should even have better def than SS/crus, and secondary to champ but lower bolt/heal than a cleric..

Voys are third on defense, F crus/SS, they either can run or have dodge.. Clerics, ahm, clerics got SP, F them too..

Though, I believe SS should have more damage than crusaders, why is the sword mightier than the gun, explain it to me? but crusaders should retain that awesome aspd they have..

So, if y'all are complaining bout SM def OP, i totally disagree.. it's sole purpose is to be annoying as F 'cause of their abyss mire/rb skill, and seals(which I believe is secondary) but they should have a weakness which of course is a counter-sealer and a damage that can break through its defense(SS). But the wings, just F-ed it all up.

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Post by PledgeAllegianceToTheSwag Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:39 am

Honest wrote:SGT if we remove criple from bolt then i wont have any effect from my eternal kylin >.> my bd seals is little more than others seals cuz of legends effect not EK ...

lower the cripple percentage.. or increase voyager's to 100% too Very Happy
'cause why the F SM and clerics got 100%

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Post by Shawty Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:45 am

Crus got more damage cause they wield dual weapon o.o...and SS is better on long range combat ..but if melee classes can get near You its obvious melee will win 0.0..

About the heal..Its based on Spr so if SM has same Spr with a clericl they should heal the same amount..

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Post by Shawty Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:54 am

This is crazy already..You guys all complaining about Honest..I can just laugh while reading this never ending replies xD....now I believe honest is more OP than Rayne on her prime xD...hahahaha GO HONEST make em QQ more xD..

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Post by SexyJo Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:29 am

this topic should be locked already, gm tested sm and made the needed updates. the problem wasnt with sm class its with wings and pets which got fixed now
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Post by [GM]Connor Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:15 pm

1x change have been made to Seal masters class
-Seal masters do not get 2x\3x heal multipliers like clerics.

As for defense, Seal masters are still easily breakable on full con by equally gemmed crusaders\champions\sharpshooters.
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