Champion Updates [Detailed]

Changes to existing Champions
-GreatSword moved to Left Hand

-GreatSword mastery (Only works with Greatsword)
-Strengthen (Only works with Greatsword or Shield)
-Bloodbull (Only works with Greatsword or Shield)
-Primal Rage (Only works with Greatsword)

Reason-
GreatSword mastery (Was providing +900 Damage to the class that already has the highest Max damage output ingame)
Champions have 10-25% more damage potential than Crusaders with the same amount of gems. This is because DualSwords were not originally meant for champions. The 1H sword was only equip able on the Right hand (Like Barbarosa's fork)

Previous GMs allowed 1H Champion weapons to be equipped on both hands without changing their damage calculation formulae to the same as Crusaders.

Since a lot of players have already maxed up their 1H Swords, we cannot change this back to normal. Champions with Dualsword build were overpowered with a "bugged" max damage while having all Defense skills enabled at the same time. Primal rage was modified to be 2-3x more effective than normal in EO because the Max damage was not meant to peek over the limit. So Primal rage will be moved to Greatsword Champion build.




Details of the Two Champion builds-

DualSword Champion-
Anti-Magic (Magic Tank)(Absorbs 50% magical damage)
High Min\Max (High damage output)
Stunner Build (11-18 Seconds stun with no miss chance and 30 seconds cooldown)

Greatsword Champion-
Moderate tanks (Defense & HP boost skills active with Greatsword)
Long Range stuns (Primal Rage without the overpowering damage)
Damage Multipler Skill

Bloodbull and Strenthen works with GreatSwords or Shields. Champions are not meant to be completely invulnerable when not using Shields or Greatsword.

If people start spamming this topic, we will discard the discussion. Only people with valid statements are free to state them.

None from server like the new changes made for champs,well you should listen to them! or atleast take comments before making those changes atleast or suggestions. Many Mallers ARE QUITTING AS WE SPEAK! Please dont let this happen.. Leave champ as it was.. Do the changes without affecting the existing skills! or just leave the champ and work on other classes . WE ARE ALL FINE WITH CHAMPS AS THEY WERE! i know you're wise enough to understand wat's happening to the server. And im sure You're gonna do anything not to let the server die! AND HERE IT IS! listen to the players for god's sake ,been shouting for a day in world and forum. I hope you'll take the right decision on what to do here.

This is the discussion section to upgrade the two Champions builds. And we will listen to and consider all opinions and suggestions as long as they are presented in a civilized manner.

Champions were overpowered with all defense bonuses while having Dualswords. They can retail Dualswords and the bugged max as long as the defense bonuses only work when they switch to Shields.

SKILLS SUX I MALLED TO OFFESIVE AND DEFENSIVE AT SAME TIME. I WAS PRETTY MUCH IMMUNE TO ALL PHYSIACL DMG SO WHAT. NOW MY HP BLOWS I CHANGED SKILLS AGAIN AT MY OWN EXPENSE BUT IN DOING SO I LOST ALL INTREST IN THE FKING CLASS. I BELEIVE PLAYERS ASKED FOR NEW SKILLS FOR EACH CALSS NOT A COMPLETE burp AND DESTRUCTION OF ONE CLASS AFTER SOME PEOPLE ALREAY MALLED TO +27 EVERY THING.

WHAT GOOD IS MY FUKING SHEILD IF MY SKILLS CANT BE USED STUNNER/DPS CHAMP SUX ITS NOT MENT TO BE A CRUSADER. ITS WHY WE MADE CHAMPIONS I WAS FINE WAITING 2 MINS FOR A STUN TO CD WITH VERY SMALL CHANCE TO DO ITS DMG MULTIPLIERS. I GOT MY EQUIPS PERFECT NOW SKILLS FUKED NO WARNING THIS SHIT TREE BUILD WAS GONNA HAPPEN.

1 FREE SKILL RESET SUX TOO SINCE I AGAIN WILL SAY I HAD TO REMALL ONE TO TEST OUT THE 2 HAND BUILD ON MY CURRENT EQUIPS. NO MATTER PLAY 2 HAND MY SHEILD FUKING USELESS BIT OF SHIT IN MY INVENT. BLAH LET ME KNOW IF DIFFERNT SKILLS COMING OR WHAT EVER CAUSE I CANT STAY WITH THIS SHIT FUKING CHARACTER I TURNED INTO.

Ill be civil. The new current Skills = Really bad. Over powered yet you fail to look how over powered voyger ss sm cleric really is. At 27 and Including a champ its near impossable for me to fight a voyger 1v1. 17k bolts and tanks like a champ tell me how that inst over powered. YOu changed a tanks purpose from taking to be harmless shrubs no differt from crus other then worse stun better hp lower attack. Cruasder can keep 2 targets complety stun locked. SS got 50k hs and insane power on bow skills. Tell me where blance going now?

And if you think I am tad upset with changes ofc I am after asking if champ was over powered and changes gonna happen.

Blood Bull on sheild why not let us have sheild on 2 hand since max will still Sux Least i can get my hp back and look at titan it has 2h wep and sheild. I dont want a skill tree near same as crusader nor does any other champ. Can skills be remade because I tride one build its bad gonna try 2h build its probly just as bad how about a free class change and gem exhange cause playing a champ lost its fun.

There are no limits to Skill reset (Champion exclusive) during the Event duration.
All you have to do is remove all equipments and talk to the Event NPC.

We need proper detailed reviews. Not comments like just "SKILLS SUX". There are a total of 11 new skills designed for Champions but only some will be integrated ingame.

Bloodbull and Strengthen were never meant to work with Dualswords! And atleast if they did that, then the Damage bonus must be made the same as crusaders. Doing that would have been a even bigger controversy than rearranging the skill tree.

Dualsword champions can still Switch to shield to enable Strengthen or Bloodbull.

Lisa and other staff of EO.

As you know a lot of the Champions and even other classes are ranting and raving about these new changes, I do not have a problem with these changes.

How ever, I was hoping you would listen to the players, ask the players before such drastic changes are made.

As soon as these new skill changes and updates were rolled onto the server there has been issues, so what i was going to suggest is, How about you run another server where the Legend's and staff can beta test these new updates, voice out to the public that makes Eternals Online a Sever and a community.

Myself and other players understand you are trying to advance the server, the game as a whole, but with out these notifications of change, or even letting us Legend's, Demi's and ordinary players voice our opinions, I'm not saying you do not listen to us.
I understand how hard it is too keep track of every single player, Every single word. But can you at least tell us about future changes before they are already made.

Can you please take this in to consideration, And make legend and staff beta test these new changes and vote about these changes. I am all for new changes. But we need the voice of the people also.

I'm not saying preference donation players also, i am saying favor everyone, We all would like an equal word.

Even if you don't care what i say, give us warning, real details, notifications. That's all i am asking.

Because how can we trust you, while staying happy if we do not know what you are really implementing until it is too late, then the surprise of not finding anything right just creates war between players and staff, donators and non donators.

Please see where I am coming from and learn from the past mistakes.

Thank you
Elise

The purpose of two builds is to create an option for a champion to choose between being

-Strong against Magic classes and moderate against Melee
-Strong against Melee classes and moderate against Magic

We have 3 skills which have not been implemented in the main server yet, but that can only be decided after testing and monitoring champions with the two builds in action.

Can i get 15 dc back for wasted skill book i ahd to pay for then? i can put dc to better use such as save for complet class rechange into something far more overpowering then champion. High hp regen high hp their no skills for sheild needing dual sword is bad and cant keep our bloodbull or primal. Humm i think i malled my Ek for that purpose along with freeze +27 a sheild and swords to swap fast from defence to offence and back to defence when stunned.

HP regen still crap max is no differnt to a crusaders when fork bug is fixed test for your self. GreatSword added max to dual sword i am sure that could of been easy fix and having bloodbull back on sheild is little compenstaion for current skill build which is bad. So when players are been blunt about it mabey because its for that reason its horrible. Or mabey its me used to insanly high hp and max at same time. ILL say this again though champ is not a crus there for stun build is crap. NO warning about shuch a change to this class was bad and whats gonna happen to all the other over powering parts of ech class.

xMayy wrote:Lisa and other staff of EO.

As you know a lot of the Champions and even other classes are ranting and raving about these new changes, I do not have a problem with these changes.

How ever, I was hoping you would listen to the players, ask the players before such drastic changes are made.

The admins are currently unavailable until December. You can leave them a message by sending an email to lisa@eternalsonline.com or chris@eternalsonline.com



Champions are the only classes which will have their whole Skill tree rearranged. Other classes will have completely new skill branches.

Champions is so far most the overpowered class in EO. This is because Dualswords were enabled without making their damage growth same as Crusader. Doing so would create an even bigger controversy and that would be more unfair to older players.

We test all changes in the test server, but when implementing them to EO, there will always be unexpected bugs and changes. What players have to do is help us identify these bugs or other issues and inform us of them in a civilized manner. Not by spamming or flaming server or GMs.

We cannot post details of any upcoming features until they are installed due to privacy reasons. We will install the feature and then work around to a final solution in the main server because you cannot design the perfect system just like that. It takes time and effort.

My job is to create two champion builds. But I can only do so by either
-Making Champion damage bonuses same as Crusaders and reverting the skill tree to default. Then create a completely new build as a side tree.
-Work around the existing change and try to adjust both builds so they are equally good, for different situations.

Btw... The skills dont work on Great sword... please fix this.

Name the Greatsword and it will be fixed with next maintenance.

[Admin]Lisa wrote:

xMayy wrote:Lisa and other staff of EO.

As you know a lot of the Champions and even other classes are ranting and raving about these new changes, I do not have a problem with these changes.

How ever, I was hoping you would listen to the players, ask the players before such drastic changes are made.

The admins are currently unavailable until December. You can leave them a message by sending an email to ....


Champions are the only classes which will have their whole Skill tree rearranged. Other classes will have completely new skill branches.

Lisa, thank you for your hasty reply.
I am not arguing the fact that Champion class or was still over powered.
I am just stating there wasn't anything in game, i'm not saying you "must" post a full detailed description on each skill or change you and your staff makes to the game.

All i am is asking that we get a short description of the changes in game, not some quick game shut down and we all log on to see that things have changed,I am in no way telling you how to do your job, i am giving you my own opinion as to how to stop the flaming, world wars towards you and your staff that is all.

I also understand that there is going to be bugs adding new stuff into the game, but with little news or even notifications that are non - existent to the players we can not find out what a bug would be seeing as we would completely thing the smallest change is a bug. I hope you understand where i am coming from.

Elise

i dont think he's lisa...
ive got a feeling he's connor

Doesn't matter

it should cause
Gm Lisa- considerate
Gm Connor- strict and scary xD

Reign wrote:i dont think he's lisa...
ive got a feeling he's connor

It's Connor managing server for a some weeks now!
I already sent message all GM accounts on forum many weeks before saying that Connor shouldnt use Lisa's account on Forum and should make a new one for himself.
I got no reply as usual !

Reign wrote:it should cause
Gm Lisa- considerate
Gm Connor- strict and scary xD

agree.. Lisa and Chris calls out Legends for an event everytime he's going to do testing and updates.. and post notification of tests before any changes..

It doesn't matter which GM it is. They are all the same as far as a player should be concerned.

Champion skill tree reverted back to original and the already added new skills + additional skills will be added as a subtree to the existing skill tree.

Champion damage bonuses will be made same as crusaders and Primal rage cooldown close to Shadow Slash after confirmation from admins.

Discussion will continue after new Skill branch is installed