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Post by Ishtar Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:13 am

Dear Gms and Tech Team
can u tell me why the forging rate on azz & bd Gems i so low ??
i tried to forge 2 azz gems lvl 5 on wednesday and fails ...ok its not weekend (supposed higher rate)
then on saturday i tried 3 gems azz lvl 5 and all fails ... sunday another 2 gems now bd lvl 5 and fails ????
how much tries do i need to forge a weak gem lvl 5 ???
and 5 fails on a weekends isnt too much ??
im not the only 1 that complain about it, why just that happends on azz & bd gems???
a lot of ppl complain about this but no1 do anything
please fix the forge rate cus forging a lvl 5 seem to be impossible to forge dont even think on lvl 6 ....
or do we need 10 tries for just 1 gem lvl 5 ???

ty in advance for answer
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Post by Bato Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:24 am

1st of all
weekends bonus forge rate is random
( random forge rate bonus on weekends )
2nd
they make azz gem forge rate so small
so ppl will be force to mall forging cards
( source of money to make server running ).


but i think maybe just to compensate make unique gem and chip gem
forging rate 90% sucsess rate <3
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Post by Wasabii Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:39 am

Yes i agree.. forging rates been kinda offf... I've forged 3-4 lv 5 bd soul. and continuously fail. and yes i did use amps,luck amp and everything even fruits and buffs that has a rumor to work. i even fail my lv 5 bd hearts. High lv ug does not fail but lv 5 -6 gems has a tendency to..
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Post by Eiko ^^ Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:53 am

Agree, we can't catch old players with forging cuz lately lv5-6 azz/bd gem doesnt want to forge. always FAIL!
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Post by SpiritReaper Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:28 am

Might I suggest a 100% fruit in mall. 100% for lv5,6,7 and 60% for lv8.

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Post by tryxzie Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:29 pm

SpiritReaper wrote:Might I suggest a 100% fruit in mall. 100% for lv5,6,7 and 60% for lv8.

these people are non mallers... mallers dont need fruits... we mallers always buy forging cards.. dont suggest things that non mallers arent going to benefit...
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Post by SexyJo Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:49 pm

add 100% forging fruits to reward points. or maybe make a change to obtain it in lotto
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Post by tryxzie Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:51 pm

SexyJo wrote:add 100% forging fruits to reward points. or maybe make a change to obtain it in lotto



rewards i support so everyone even non mallers can get them....
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Post by Ishtar Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:37 am

that sounds good .. how about 200 -250 rep for 1 fruit for a lvl 5 or 6 azz and bd gems o.o think about it Gms Smile Thx for suggestions !!
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Post by Brok3n Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:23 am

Flame eyes above lv3 will fail. Don't ever try forging a lv4 flame eye lol. Waste of moneyz :3
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Post by Wasabii Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:04 am

i failed my lv 5 flame eye. ... my heart hurt so much from the deep impact Sad
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Post by [Admin]Chris Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:51 am

It is most unfortunate you have failed these many times players can get up to lvl 1 - 6 with some effort 7 - 9 is a challenge but that does not mean it is impossible to achieve. There are a handful of players that have done so according to our logs, with that in mind remember forging is mostly patience,determination and luck.
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Post by Eiko ^^ Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:38 pm

So some ppl just dont have luck?
Seriously.. 4x times lv6 light failed on my FH. My.... *wait for it* lv6 SOBD cant be forged after 3-4 tries! So it's something weird with that forging, not just my luck..

Can u think about that idea with new forging fruits for RP?
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Post by SrJoo Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:11 pm

i think this post is a waste if time.. gm will never change rates.. and if ppl have succes lvl 5-6 forging think about this. From 10 ppls just 1 have succes, every ppl have tried 2-3 time the forge so it means around 20-30 gems lvl 5-6 and just 1 succes? and its a lower statistics i have heard ppl in his fifth attempt and fail... tons of gems wasted and thats not all there are not many farmers these times and u need 4k to farm comfortable, so what about the non-mele classes?
just my opinion
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Post by SpiritReaper Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:41 pm

I failed Lv6 az once and lv7 az once. Rest forged in ok. Their is no need to use excessive fruits or any crazy forging style. Its truly about luck. Some other times my luck is so bad I leave forging for another day wait for the weekend when its random to get better luck.

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Post by Eiko ^^ Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:09 pm

Sam u just use forging cards.. so u dont need luck o.o Just GM.
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Post by SpiritReaper Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:33 pm

No I forge other peoples equips and my alt. I dont always use cards for mucking around on an alt.

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Post by MLee Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:25 pm

Quoting GM Connor -- March 19th 2012. Source topic link: https://bsopko.forumotion.com/t2583-forging-rate-and-techniqueneed-help?highlight=forge+rate

GM Connor wrote:

" Gem Level

Raw Rate Using Forge Fruit/Catalyst
1 100% 100%
2 100% 100%
3 100% 100%
4 70% 85%
5 60% 80%
6 50% 65%
7 40% 55%
8 30% 45%
9 20% 35%

Random Weekend bonus +15% (One of the weekends in a month will have an extra 15% success rate)
Random Weekday bonus +20% (One of the weekdays in a week will have an extra 20% success rate)"


Mathematically, it makes no sense how someone can fail level 5 10 times in a row. Of course, it can happen, but to so many people and this many times? The forge rate doesn't seem consistent to the quoted forging rates GM Connor stated.

For even simply a level 5 which has a relatively high success rate (80%), how can it fail that many times? Not to mention, if the random success rate was applied, it would make it near 100% success.

If the forging rate has changed, can any of the GM's please update us on the new rates for each level? Otherwise, may I request how this could be happening, logically?

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Post by [Admin]Chris Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:57 pm

The rates are as they stand we have not modified them since then. Again even with an 80% chance if you are unfortunate you can still fail it is not impossible and it is quite probable and many players have succeeded level 5 according to our logs. With that in mind we will look into the matter at a technical stand point and see if there are any issues with the forging rates.
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Post by Eiko ^^ Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:22 am

Thx for looking into the matter of technical stand point.
BTW Chris, maybe just go make some gems in-game, and try forge as a normal character =) Just to try your luck !
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Post by Ishtar Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:10 am

... so with this information is telling me that my luck is on the trash can ???
i cant beleive it i tried 5 gems on weekend and no1 succes ??? that means only 1 things theres something weird on forge rate ( only azz and bd ) or im amazingly bad luck ??? of course this have no sense its only a lvl 5 on weekend and fruits poss amped buffed relog repaired and all that stuff... pls check it a lil bit deeper making some experiment like eiko said with a normal char

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Post by SrJoo Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:52 am

if u havent try it and fail tons of times or got friend that fails a lot u will never now... pls gm check with a char
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Post by MLee Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:05 am

Yea no need to dig in any deeper on this thread -- Chris said he'll look into it, have a little faith/patience.

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Post by Damian Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:13 pm

im sure az and bd have lower luck , im failed so many of them

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Post by [GM]Connor Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:31 pm

Forging gems from Level 1-6 is easy.
More people succeed than fail in forging the gems.

Lv7-9 forging rate is tougher and has a lower chance to succeed. But this makes sure that players take a long time to achieve +27 Equipments ingame.

Players have forged as far as Level 8 Azreal gems themselves, so the current rates are fine.


Throughout the week, the forging rate can vary. Some days have higher success rate than normal.
So in the end, it all comes down to luck.
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Post by Eiko ^^ Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:45 pm

Eiko ^^ wrote:
Seriously.. 4x times lv6 light failed on my FH. My.... *wait for it* lv6 SOBD cant be forged after 3-4 tries!

Is it easy forging?
What if i would buy GM service card and ask GM to forge that easy lv6 azz/bd gem?
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Post by Ishtar Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:49 pm

Gm come on is easy 3 fails in a row for just a lvl 5 azz gems?? in total 6 tries and no1 success?? pls check it on anormal player ...
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Post by [GM]Connor Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:04 pm

Forging Lv5 gems is not impossible and many players succeed while some fail.
With any higher forging rate, players will obtain +27 equipments too easily and EO would just be another easy server.
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