Sealmaster class

He just doesn't like Medusa , so he is going to debate anything she says instead of actually seeing what she says in both post makes a lot of sense.

Well not really. The reason why theres Seal Master and Cleric is because. Seal Master is the semi supporter semi offensive class. The cleric is the supporter tanker class. If cleric were offensive + the defensive of ES. Whats left for Seal master? Yes, they may seal and be semi support, but their def is crap if theyre not Legend. Why? Because SM is not a defensive class, its a supporter offensive class. I cannot stress this enough, if you want a offensive magic class? Why not be Voyager? or SM? Because they die easily! My point is, thats why clerics are there for, they got the supporter mode, the defensive mode ++++++++ That deadly bolt because of the full spr gems Clerics gem.
Why was the crystalline bless reduced? Because its an OP stun, it stuns, and its not recoverable, and it lasts ages, thats why it was reduced to the current 4-7secs, its an OP skill.
I find this server balanced i dont think anything needs to be changed.

[color=cyan]Yeah.. Jirax like always so.. Offensive~
About crystalline bless, i still have it 2-3 sec ALWAYS. Evem wasabii was looking for skill reset card, cuz her higher lv of that skill is useless.
About classes /agree with medusa and shawty/ they should be more like in normal top. crus for killing champ for tanking.(remember times when we needed champ for taxi to kill barbie!!)
About 1vs1 sm and ss... SS never fail seals+long range and cam tweak make u.. God of seal =P ( sm and cleric need to be close to make any of skill~ )

First of all i would change sm seals to 100%, like others said it's Master of seals~

PS. Good to see u Medusa

Balance the classes~

Classes are balanced! Everychar is good and bad against someone! Even if theyre equally gemmed example:

Champ: pro: crus, ss
con: seal master, cleric, voy

SS: pro: SM(who seals first), cleric, voy, crus(whoever seals stuns first)
con: Champ, SM(who seals first, crus(who seals/stun first)

SM: pro: SS(Whoever seals/stuns first), voy, champ, crus(whoever stuns or seals first), cleric
con: SS(whoever seals/stuns first), crus(whoever stuns or seals first

Cleric: pro: Champ + theyre supportive class, theyre not supposed to kill alone. Voy, crus
con: SS, Crus, SM, voy

Crus: pro: SS(whoever seals/stuns first), SM(whoever seals/stuns first), Cleric, voy
con: Cleric: SS(whoever seals/stuns first, SM(whoever seals/stun first), Champ, Voy, Cleric

Voy: pro: champ, cleric, crus + they target many people at once.
con: sm, ss, crus.

These is just a quick sketch of pros and cons...
This server is balanced, nothing needs to be changed...

Nevermind my last post, i mixed up the cons and pros, and I'm too lazy to fix it! but... I think the server is balanced, nothing needs to be changed

Play as cleric, then you'll know.

HOneST get in game! i want to see your character since ur here in the forums e.e

Geez, I can comment if I want, whats up with the rudeness, Christ sake... I mean, zynco commented, and bloody hell you didnt tell him to go eat sh*t.

Everyone can comment on every topic thats on forum, otherwise, dont put it on forum.

I am saying classes are balanced, why cant I give my opinion regarding class balances? I am a Crusader, and Crusader is a class ennit?

Regardless of this, I pk clerics, that are 75% less gemmed than me, and i can get killed EASILY if I dont play it smart. Clerics are balanced and good enough, the way they are now, they're even OP in my opinion, they have an unrecoverable stun + insanely high SP and can resist more damage than i can, even when they are 75% less gemmed than me.

Regarding Seal Masters, your seals are basically already too long. Regarding SM balancing, yes sure, why not add them some more defense or HP, the seals are just fine. SM Seals already last too long to be buffed, + the melee seal that only SMs have, not SS, not crus, not cleric, not voy, not champ. Only SMs have these seals + the slowing in area seal.

This server is balanced well enough already, I dont quite understand why every week, theres someone complaining about a b c or z motives.
It's really I dont know the word, but its quite stupid, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Whats the problem with it? Wouldnt it be boring if you 100% of times? I rather lose 100% of times, and keep trying, than win 100% of times and keep winning.

People need to cool off and accept defeat or accept the win.

I am replying to the post, I am replying to the community and Medusa, not you, as you can see, medusa suggested adding duration of seals.
And my hobbies are none of your concern, so if you respect that and not comment about it I would appreciate it

Zyncolicious wrote:

Of course, that of course if the SM knows what to do and have good PK skills, but don't forget, this isn't the official ToP. The classes here are improved (Gear Wise, Gem Wise, Passive Stat Wise) and the page is completely turned! Like I mentioned in another thread...who would of saw an SS or a Crus tanking hehe or a Crus running like a bolt xD I mean, you have to take into consideration everything..time has changed ToP isn't the ToP we....old school people used to know!

I agree time has changed. but having skills to be the best haven't changed. unless malling EQ is a skill.

Having high stats , gemwise, gear. you still need skill to play.

Just because this server isn't like offical ToP, it does not mean it does not require skill to play.
& since SS & Crus tanks so much here and does such a high amount of damage. i am sure allowing some buffs for SM wont be a problem.

honest regarding ur seal. i was sealed from north gate all the way till cm until my light pet reced me. now i dont know how much longer u want the seals but dont u think that is long already?

and u say ur bolts do no dmg, yet u robbed 55k hp off my ss, i would have died if light pet no rec. i think for sm there shud be a multiplier. every bolt done on a target increases in power, this is for ca ofc.

and for voy...liltaker tanks my con mode max. tats all i have for it now

This server will never be balance..... as it came from someone's response... MALL items makes the game imbalance... FOR NOT EVErYONE MALLS like crazy... only those who malls every week or 2, those who malled 4000$++ could be so much for anyone who doesnt mall... as long as there is mall.. a game will never be balanced for MONeY can never balance anything...

on the other hand.... have u guys ever see any other SM other than Honest in game??? no... SM is considered the most weak class... there have been few before at BSO but because magic classes have always been being burping... they quit the classes and turned to another class... just like how champed is getting burping 2-4 months ago.. and now.. Push went and change to be a crusader because tbh,, crusaders are OP..

Ofc, and in any other PS or official top, heavy mallers will always be stronger than non mallers.

Sadly, LETS TAKE SAM INTO CONSIDERATION,
he has malled every item in Heaven, and yet he cant do ANYTHING alone, why? Simply because, sadly this isnt a solo game, this is a team-game. You depend on your team as much as they depend on you, you are nothing without them.
Mallers are fine to be strong, theres always someone stronger than you.

Because it is not a solo game, I believe this game is balanced.
I honestly dont understand why everyone complains so much! I really dont, its really annoying.

honest just get a gm service card and ask gms to test out stuff with u

I did met him before the burp, and he didnt do a scratch on anyone alone, simply because its a team-game.

Obviously u've been inactive, I've witnessed Ivy and Rayne and zara and me together die vs sam mishy wasa ken zuko cottoncandii
Of course, this didnt happen often but, it did happen.
Mishy and Ely took on Rayne 2-3 times in ca, alone.
Team game...
me zuko and zara took on tryxz rose and pacap
team game...
me and zuko took on demonic and push
team game...
medusa, sepek took on me
team game...
you and tryxz took on kenchan
team game...
I took on shawty
1v1 game.
Everything can happen.

Meaning team-game is what wins, not OP chars.

RiotVan wrote:Obviously u've been inactive, I've witnessed Ivy and Rayne and zara and me together die vs sam mishy wasa ken zuko cottoncandii
Of course, this didnt happen often but, it did happen.
Mishy and Ely took on Rayne 2-3 times in ca, alone.
Team game...
me zuko and zara took on tryxz rose and pacap
team game...
me and zuko took on demonic and push
team game...
medusa, sepek took on me
team game...
you and tryxz took on kenchan
team game...
I took on shawty
1v1 game.
Everything can happen.

Meaning team-game is what wins, not OP chars.

You didn't mention when BloodRayne Pked, why? because when she does PK she goes on a killing spree. If she wants she can Solo a whole SW, She already did actually. If she wants she can go to DW kill everyone and boss both bosses, she already did actually. In CA? Her kill count is more spammy than my Kylin heal system message alert! lol and I have witnessed all these because i was online, and sometimes in the action aswell....Tell me where's the team-game there? and above all...where's the fun of it?

o.o for your information... I did mention when she pk, in fact, it was the first thing i mentioned.
Besides, i said ely and mishy killed her too? I mean srsly o.o read first before you reply?
And yes ofc is gonna be hard to kill her, just like its impossible to kill chubby o.O but no one is complaining about him o.O people mall so theyre harder to get killed, nothing wrong with it. You malled because you dont wanna die to easily, nothing wrong with it, I malled because I was lazy to farm, nothing wrong with it.
Push malled because he wanted to be strong, Anna malled because she aimed to be strong, so did ivo, and jo. Theyre harder to kill obviously because of malling. You cannot compare nonmallers to someone like BloodRayne, and you cannot stop BloodRayne from having fun in ca either, just like I cant tell Rose, tryxz, BowMan, to not have fun in ca, even if its me alone vs them 3. I cannot do that, they malled to have fun, not to be deprived from it just because they malled

Everyone should stop complaining about balances, its balanced enough.

RiotVan wrote:o.o for your information... I did mention when she pk, in fact, it was the first thing i mentioned.
Besides, i said ely and mishy killed her too? I mean srsly o.o read first before you reply?

You only mentioned whe she GOT PKED not when she PKed

Well, ofc if she gets pked, she is pking back, obviously... ?
Its just common sense, ofc if you wanna compare BloodRayne vs the people she has had to pk these days, ofc she can rape, but she wasnt alone, she had stunners and killers by her side, she cant do EVERYTHING Alone.

Honestly this game is balanced.

RiotVan wrote:And yes ofc is gonna be hard to kill her, just like its impossible to kill chubby o.O but no one is complaining about him .

Chubby is a Champion he is meant to tank and deal good damage, he don't have skills to block the opponent like stun for instance whereas Rayne does. Your sentence is invalid because theyre two different classes.

o.O Chubby does have the skill to block the stun seal and whatnot, Spirit of Honor. What sentence? lol what are you talking about? I'm talking about class balancing lol not about who can wipe the who server.
I just dont understand why you people have to whine OP this OP that so much, theres nothing OP in this server, people donate whatever they want, its not up to you if they wanna donate and be unbrakeable o.O
I mean seriously, cool off. All i hear is BloodRayne OP, when Ivory can slightly damage her, and Ivory cannot damage Chubby, and Chubby 1 slashes Ivory whereas BloodRayne leaves Ivo with some HP on 1 slash.
But you dont see me whining about how OP Chubby is! I dont see you whinig about him either! CAUSE he is in your guild! Cool off, stop the hatred Jesus Christ... I cant stress this matter enough, the server is balance, either I am crazy and stupid and dumb and cant see how it is unbalanced, or I am the only person who does mind losing some and winning some?

Seriously people need to cool off, this post is about classes, more than anything title says clerics and sm, but it obviously mentions other classes than both of them
It is not about who malled more and who is more OP.
If you need to do that, please I ask you, make a topic about OP chars and whatever whining you gotta do, quote me there if u need to reply to me but, as Honest said he doesnt want this topic to get locked. And neither do I, so just stop? I'd like to see SM having a lil more def, so that the only SM that tanks is not Honest. But other people too

I'm no longer a cleric, but i was one so i'd like to post my comment.

https://bsopko.forumotion.com/t2888-request-can-we-get-some-form-of-a-change
I had also brought up a topic with SS vs Frozen Kylin and i cant seem to find it.

When i played cleric, icy was only a defensive skill, now it is offensive.
So you get 2-5 seconds alot longer then we did back when i played.

Honest has close to 750+ spr and bolts me crap all, saying that, eiko,wasabii,jo, zara can all bolt me 9-10k each hit (4-5 bolts in acc - 8-9 bolts in con for me)
Clerics are alot more offensive now then they once were.
Where i believe a sm need a slight better bolt being it 1 extra thousand or 2 thousand.
Don't forget honest is a con SM and a legend at that, And honestly he is paper, he is dead from my acc mode w/o seals from either of us before i am.
He has a tonne more forge then i do also.
So SM's need hp & def progression alters and slight spr > dmg progression.

I talked about a 2nd offensive Cleric skill and it got denied.

Okay regarding SS's.
I use frosts and colo.

This is in acc mode buffed


This is passive con
https://imgur.com/CgM7v,EKFmq,99C82#2

And this is con possed and buffed.


I'm still missing alot of forge i am still +18
Being a con ss, i believe i should be able to tank, just like i am basing my forge on.
Inside ca, i can't do much honestly. soon as i get bd stunned i am dead.
40k hp or 80k i'm still paper.
I can't solo anything.

Now Rayne, She can go nuts cause she is an ami, hard to click and fast too, you'll get this with a full +27 crusader the size of a spirit of darkness.
i admit she is hard to kill, but myself and mishy have taken her, and she has killed us also.

You do win some and you loose some.

Pretty much, i hope i didnt stray off topic much.

in the end, you wont see many more IF ANY changes to the cleric class.

SexyJo wrote:ive readed the first few posts and too lazy to read the rest.

first of all cut the crap talk about sealmasters and clerics being a support class, this isnt top, we can get spr gems in cap gloves and boots, so we can kill, we didnt mall +1k$ to support. HEY IM THE PROEST BUFFER INGAME YAY....

second, saying that freeze for clerics is OP skill, no its not. its very short and dont forget when someone is frozen they take much less damage so maybe its usefull for them, better than being stunned haha.

annnd, sayin all classes r balanced , no they r not.
how come a crus or ss can get more def than cleric or sm ?
bloodrayne tank more than honest, ull tell me her gems r maxed? yeh they r but does she have con gems all over? no, sms have con gems all over so they forge more con gems than crus. but still they die faster.

when a legend ss go on con mode it takes me ages to kill them, and im one of the clerics who have a very high spr.

random thought, how come bloodraye run that fast ? faster than S2 and other ss. dont tell me lv90 MS neck, most of us have this neck but we run much slower.


finally, this is kinda off topic as its about cleric with ek set which is only me, how come i tank less than wasabii out of ca? EK is supposed to be the best set so far, but frozen kylin is makin clerics tank more out of ca which isnt fair, i tested with rayne in pk map and she admitted than i die faster than wasabii.

plus, eiko have less spr than me in around 40 spr, but we bolt the same, how this is possible?

some things rnt goin right here, not only classes that need balance, specific chars aswel.....

So you are saying that a sm can have more then 5 sets of con forge?

Also wasabii dies slower then you because she has a 110% set, thus more pr, more def, and more spr in total her whole set beside frozen cap is 110% this is what you are forgetting. Yeah ek is the best for effects, but we cant 110% ek, i as a ss have been thinking of downgrading from ek to grand set with dk helm. just for the more max and def.
Wasabii doesn't jsut stand there and bolt either, which i've seem to notice you do alot ( no offence) But Wasabii runs around the size of her rear pet acting like a chicken with its head cut off.

So in the end, she has more mvnt then you cause he set is 110% and uses lvl 90 neck.
she has more def and pr then you because her set is 110%
and who knows more spr then you because of 110%
and with the bonus of more frozen due to her cap giving her 1-2 maybe even 3 secs freeze cause of her cap.

In the end, she will survive alot more then you, but not tank as much
She's lost alot of con gems for spr, alot of hp for def.

btw, im not complaining about wasabii, shes fine. im just giving an example that my char has something isnt rights, cuz out of ca its paper and i bolt as high as eiko even though my spr is higher.

xMayy wrote:I'm no longer a cleric, but i was one so i'd like to post my comment.

https://bsopko.forumotion.com/t2888-request-can-we-get-some-form-of-a-change
I had also brought up a topic with SS vs Frozen Kylin and i cant seem to find it.

When i played cleric, icy was only a defensive skill, now it is offensive.
So you get 2-5 seconds alot longer then we did back when i played.

Honest has close to 750+ spr and bolts me crap all, saying that, eiko,wasabii,jo, zara can all bolt me 9-10k each hit (4-5 bolts in acc - 8-9 bolts in con for me)
Clerics are alot more offensive now then they once were.
Where i believe a sm need a slight better bolt being it 1 extra thousand or 2 thousand.
Don't forget honest is a con SM and a legend at that, And honestly he is paper, he is dead from my acc mode w/o seals from either of us before i am.
He has a tonne more forge then i do also.
So SM's need hp & def progression alters and slight spr > dmg progression.

I talked about a 2nd offensive Cleric skill and it got denied.

i just saw this post , didnt notice it, i agree with u about sm.
maybe we can focus on sms now,

ill discuss about cleric EK once im done maxing my gems, so i can compare to other legends without having the excuse of "they r max gemmed"

Okies, let's not talk about mallers. Even as a non-maller cleric vs non-mallers of all classes, we can't even handle in solo. That's why we are saying it's unbalanced. If we can kill non-mallers, then we would know it's balanced. But making magic class weaker then all, it's an outrage due to the fact MOST aren't even magic classes so you don't get the one to be talking to know if it's balanced or not~ We aren't being rude or nasty, we are being truthfully with self-respect wanting this server to have fun like the rest. So, the ones that aren't a magic class, please do yourself a favor and back off.

Well ive used all 3 magic classes here as alts but how can you talk about this ina balanaced way if maybe you yourself havent played other classes? btw those who arent playing other classes can give u an insight on how they see things too so you can even out the groups of magic that are complaining vs the non magic who actually pk them.

I don't need to play the other classes to know, if magic are eligible class. You might have alts, but it doesn't necessarily means you're playing it as your main. I versed all classes, that's how I know (non-mallers and mallers). Never knew even giving the thought of how or what we are discussing (or you may think we're complaining) then BACK OFF. Play magic as your main, you'll understand how quickly you might want to quit before you even start.

I did play when i started as magic so thats why i know. but instead of complaining i just changed class cause when i find a class that doesnt fulfill what i want in game i change it. So instead of saying back off why not hear what others say? or might as well call it clerics complain thread .

Sm seals are too long? seriously? Remember that bolt has something called cool down time (which is around 3 seconds), while meele classes can boost up their aspd with agi gems.
When I pk a ss/cruz/champ I bolt them like 3 times while thet hit me 10.

When I seal somebody I can bolt around 3times before the seals wear off. (whether they die or not depends on how high their hp is)
Now, on con mode my bolt is.. LOW - 4k ( I got around 50k hp n 1.6 def. and I can tank a slash... of a cruz with around 8k max n then I have maybe 10k hp left. or less.)
On spr mode I bolt around 6.5k on people with low lvl soul of bd but I can't handle even a slash of a cruz with 4k max and I die in around 2-3 hits with my hp bein 30k o.o

Lol. I lost my point somewhere during typin, n don't remember what I wanted to say >__>

But making the sm skills the way they on offial would be nice =x
Since that's how they originally were.

Spam.

yup i agree sms do need an upgrade.

To be honest with you Jo, as much as I don't like it. It is a fact that you tank more than me. Yesterday in pk I was telling S2 how I envy the amount you tank. Rayne kills me roughly the same. 3-4 seconds if I'm in full spr mode. Maybe if I'm lucky she kills me within 5-6 seconds with the help of con air and a pr neck. And IF frozen kicks in..Plus frozen won't work if you can't tank some to begin with.. Frozen doesn't tank more than Ek. It's just clerics tanks more in ca and outside they are weaker.. It's like u bolt more outside but tank less. In ca, we bolt less but tank more.
But u can't tank outside unless u have 4k defense 90 pr or so.. It's that their max is high. But idk maybe there is something wrong with yor character. But I know for sure that I do not tank more. We even gave u a nick name of sandbag cleric. Because you tank so much. I don't see the problem with your character. It is already strong.

SexyJo can tank many in CA but what her can do vs SSs in CA? freze for 5 seconds? SexyJo is indefensed VS ss donaters in CA cause they have darkness pet seal long and mini stuns, so like i said in my topic... CLERICS STILL DIYNG...

Wasa u looks sexy like me <3

medusa you do understand that clerics can't always live right? still dying okay . but even with frozen skill UPDATED and longer duration, she will bolt them half. and you are talkin about legend SS . CA is not a place for you to solo. its a team work based map.

i agree with you frozen skill IS too short.

but if it gets extended any longer, clerics will be over powered.

Best i can see is. lower CD time on frozen skill. otherwise.. it isnt really a big deal..

overpowerred??? ...All classes overpowered just clerics not... her alive? right! but clerics live waiting for die with seals... stuns... tornados...Her can suport ataks... but HER NEED MORE ATAKS

lol, this server is balanced, i dont understand why so much complaining, seriously. Its pathetic.